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My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.What should I do.? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward.

What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore.

I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random.

I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible.

All input is much appreciated, thanks!Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to 50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can.

You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund 100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Once I get to this stage of the game, I end up having so much money I'm literally throwing it away, all my companions have the best armor and horses I can find, and I have about 20 pack horses. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an 'ally' of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route.

I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your 'allies' are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows.

Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type.but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills. On May 04 2011 14:17 Torte de Lini wrote:Should I buy Fire and Sword or buy the other ones as well?

I never played any of them before and I only really care about the multiplayerEach version of Mount & Blade past the first has had improved game mechanics and increased game possibilities, so by not getting the newer one, you are omitting some variational possibilities. That being said, M&B vanilla and Warband have a lot of very good mods, so if you're looking beyond the base functionality, the older titles of course have a more developed custom scene. The newest title will of course catch up as Warband mods and such gets converted for With Fire and Sword, and I imagine a lot of the modders will go over to the newest title.That being said though, the deciding factor might be a setting thing.

If you like low-tech gunpowder weapons and pseudo-historical settings, then With Fire and Sword would be the best choice. If you prefer the the more rustic feel of the 1200s and an imaginary medieval kingdom with no ties to history, Warband is your thing.Edit: Here's some art examples from combat situations, might help you pick out a preferred setting. On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:Crazy ass bump incoming:So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is.

I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.What should I do.? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army?

Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area.

Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol.

Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible.

Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to 50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them.

Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund 100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session.

Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type.but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal.

Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually.have. prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!Any way I can profit off this guy?

If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow? On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:Crazy ass bump incoming:So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is. What do I do?At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest.

My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers.

I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.What should I do.? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. What should I be trying to accomplish?

Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating.

This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants.

Once you get to 50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund 100 man armies of elite troops.

If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an 'ally' of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your 'allies' are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.Pro seiging tip.

Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him?

The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually.have. prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go?

Can I kill him somehow?Kings WILL grant you fiefs eventually, but a female character will need a lot more reputation than a male to get it, meaning you will have to work your reputation up a little more. Realise though, that the fiefs are only for you to adminstrate as long as you're a vassal of that kingdom - if you decide to cut it off from them at some point, all land controlled by you will be returned to them.Nobles have three main uses. One, you can hold on to them and wait for a ransom offer (this takes a week + random, so you can end up sitting with him for ages). Two, you can turn him over to a friendly lord as a part of a quest (they will sometimes ask you to capture an enemy lord wether you have a captured lord or not - run around to a few and see if they're interested). Three, you can hold on to them or store them in your prison (if you have a keep) to reduce the fighting power of the enemy kingdom - without lords, they have no armies, and without armies, they aren't exactly mobile.Once you've decided to capture him, you cannot release him, really. The only way to get rid of him is to do one of the things described above, or wait untill the war between your kingdom and his is over, at which point he is automatically released (for no reward).

The best here is to just let him go, which will yield you some honor as well as a positive relation boost with the said lord. Well, most of the time, anyway.You cannot kill him, unfortunately. On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:Crazy ass bump incoming:So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is. What do I do?At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party.

My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.What should I do.? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive.

Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army?

I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow?

Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around!

Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an 'ally' of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your 'allies' are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type.but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal.

prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?Captured nobles = money.

Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left.they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz.And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to.And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal 'noble' armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3.

Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time. On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:Crazy ass bump incoming:So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is.

What do I do?At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.What should I do.? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive.

Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable.

I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating.

Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses?

I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc.

Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to 50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund 100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session.

I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him?

Can I kill him somehow?Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left.they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz.And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to.And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal 'noble' armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3.

Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.The skill is called, uh, Training.:p As a note; it stacks, meaning it's nice getting some late ranks of Training on all your companions.

Remember that it is based on the level of the trainer versus the level of the recipient though, and even peasants start out at level 6, so don't go getting it before you / your companion's gotten a good dozen levels under your belt.Rhodoks are a mixed bag though. Since both their crossbowmen and infantry have something like 6 ranks of upgrades, it takes a lot of time (and money) to get them to elite status. The fact that the infantry is also spearmen makes them die like flies against anything that's not cavalry, as they're incredibly vulnerable against faster melee fighters such as the infantry of any other faction, as well as Nord, Sarranid and Vaegir archers in melee combat. Rhodok infantry is usually just a massive money sink, as they die off far too fast compared to other infantries.I personally prefer Nord Veteran archers, as they only have 3 or 4 or so ranks of upgrades (making them cheap and easy to train, without too much power loss compared to the 'elite' archers of other factions), with Nord Huscarls or Swadian Sergeants for infantry. Both Swadian and Nord infantry are durable and able during the early stages of their carreers, so the losses in their ranks aren't as horrible as those of Vaegirs and Rhodoks, specifically.Cavalry are way overpriced, and while Sarranid Mamelukes and Swadian Knights are demi-gods in their own right, the training cost as well as weekly maintenance cost are just ridiculous. Instead, I use all my companions (aside from Deshavi, my.

On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:Crazy ass bump incoming:So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is. What do I do?At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers.

I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward.

What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating.

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This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around!

Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type.but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal.

If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?Captured nobles = money.

Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses.

Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.The skill is called, uh, Training.:p As a note; it stacks, meaning it's nice getting some late ranks of Training on all your companions. Remember that it is based on the level of the trainer versus the level of the recipient though, and even peasants start out at level 6, so don't go getting it before you / your companion's gotten a good dozen levels under your belt.Rhodoks are a mixed bag though. Since both their crossbowmen and infantry have something like 6 ranks of upgrades, it takes a lot of time (and money) to get them to elite status.

The fact that the infantry is also spearmen makes them die like flies against anything that's not cavalry, as they're incredibly vulnerable against faster melee fighters such as the infantry of any other faction, as well as Nord, Sarranid and Vaegir archers in melee combat. Rhodok infantry is usually just a massive money sink, as they die off far too fast compared to other infantries.I personally prefer Nord Veteran archers, as they only have 3 or 4 or so ranks of upgrades (making them cheap and easy to train, without too much power loss compared to the 'elite' archers of other factions), with Nord Huscarls or Swadian Sergeants for infantry. Both Swadian and Nord infantry are durable and able during the early stages of their carreers, so the losses in their ranks aren't as horrible as those of Vaegirs and Rhodoks, specifically.Cavalry are way overpriced, and while Sarranid Mamelukes and Swadian Knights are demi-gods in their own right, the training cost as well as weekly maintenance cost are just ridiculous. Instead, I use all my companions (aside from Deshavi, my 5(I think, it's been a little while) training. It makes ranking your men up SOOOO easy.And like I said, money is never a problem for me, so having a money sink is something I never even noticed.

I just notice that they farking rape anything cavalry, and me and my companion's cavalry usually keep anything heavy infantry off their backs, so maybe I just haven't noticed my men's heavy infantry deficiencies. I dunno, but I just just never have any problems with anything in the game with the composition of cavalry(me, companions, and random mercenaries) and Rhodok heavies in a 40/60 ratio(40 spear 60 crossbow). A key though is making sure your companions don't get bogged down in battles before your infantry can engage. Also of note, I always start the battle with my infantry on hold, so my archers have the maximum time to do damage.

If I can run to a nearby hill and make them even better, then I do that, but I never run forwards with my infantry.I think my ease of battle is more in line with how broken heavy archers can be though. Once you get to be a crack horse archer.nothing can stand in your way. Heavy infantry still die to a crossbow bolt to the head, and they don't even try to block it. Just run around in circles and shoot people in the dome. If they have enough cavalry to keep me from doing that I just lead them into my spearmen, and they fall in seconds. On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive?

I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.Have been wondering about this aswell, not sure if you need to work for the king to recruit or something. Also the mercs that ive hired cant be upgraded! Yet there is a training skill.Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles, now i can barely support my little band of 20 mercs with regular quests giving you 200-500 bucks. They could atleast have had like a duel or something to replace it.Either this needs to get modded beyond recognition or some major patches need to come. For right now its not worth playing im sorry.

On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.Mercs are really cheap in WFAS compared to Warband, so that's how I've gotten my army up to fighting size so far. In the center of each nation's territorry, there's also a mercenary camp where you can hire and equip more specialized troops.I havent played WFAS more than a few hours so far though, so I don't really know much about it past the beginning.

#32 There are now 'peasants' in Fire, but there are two grades of mercs. The tavern mercenaries are considerably cheaper than in previous episodes of the game and now there are new 'mercenaries camps'.

These camps allow you to recruit fresh mercs which are the equivalent of peasants in one of the three troop types. The new systems is leaps and bounds better because you can actually buy equipment for the peasants to your liking through the camp AI. Want them to carry a pistol? You can do it. How about chain boots? They can be upgraded extensively at your will.As always with M&B, you have to really dig in to find the new features. Once you get over the learning curve it's an astoundingly deep game and it clearly outshines its predecessors.

You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.What do you mean by raiding?

Is that only in the new one? I only get like 50 money from them, but then loads of goods which I can sell later.I usually end up pillaging villages whenever I need money, but by now my land holdings are generating enough income to offset my army costs.So I was.finally. awarded a village as a fief, but it's deeeeep in enemy territory, and just gets pillaged over and over.

Impossible to defend, there's like 4 enemy castles/towns between us and the village. I have no idea why it's even under our control anymore lol.Anyway my village proved impossible to get to, so I got bored and just now conquered a castle. My little band of 50 or so hardened veterans are more or less unstoppable in a straight fight. Battles usually go the same way every time:I tell my infantry/archers to hold our starting position. I put my skirmishers a little bit ahead of them (usually lower on the same hill), and have them hold there. The enemy thus needs to advance into a wall of spears, with arrows and javalins peppering them as they approach.

I take all my cavalry, and have them follow me. We rush off to the side of the field and wait for the enemy to approach the main army. I then tell the cavalry to just charge, then pull out my lance and go hunting. Run run run,.poke., run run run.poke., just picking off enemies one by one until everyone's dead. Crazy chaotic and such, but fun.So what do I do with my pretty new castle? I obviously need to give it one hell of a garrison, else it'll be re-captured by tomorrow, but where do I find the sheer numbers needed for a proper garrison?

On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive?

I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by milesseriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.What do you mean by raiding? Is that only in the new one? I only get like 50 money from them, but then loads of goods which I can sell later.I usually end up pillaging villages whenever I need money, but by now my land holdings are generating enough income to offset my army costs.So I was.finally. awarded a village as a fief, but it's deeeeep in enemy territory, and just gets pillaged over and over.

My little band of 50 or so hardened veterans are more or less unstoppable in a straight fight. Battles usually go the same way every time:I tell my infantry/archers to hold our starting position. I put my skirmishers a little bit ahead of them (usually lower on the same hill), and have them hold there. The enemy thus needs to advance into a wall of spears, with arrows and javalins peppering them as they approach. I take all my cavalry, and have them follow me.

We rush off to the side of the field and wait for the enemy to approach the main army. I then tell the cavalry to just charge, then pull out my lance and go hunting. Run run run,.poke., run run run.poke., just picking off enemies one by one until everyone's dead. Crazy chaotic and such, but fun.So what do I do with my pretty new castle?

I obviously need to give it one hell of a garrison, else it'll be re-captured by tomorrow, but where do I find the sheer numbers needed for a proper garrison?Downloading the Diplomacy mod for Warband/Mount&Blade vanilla gives fiefcontrol and castle micromanagement a lot of boosts, so you might want to look into that. You should be able to find it on the taleworlds forum, under its own forum category.Anyhow, you said you conquered a castle. Was this done as vassal of another kingdom, or as a freelancer?

If you're a vassal, you might want to talk to the king as he might want to award the castle to you, depending on how well he likes you / you're liked in the kingdom in general. If you're a freelancer, then you should assign two of your companions to lord-status straight away, give them one village each and hurridly conquer a second castle / a fortress so you have a powerbase strong enough to support at least 4 lords aside from you. Without this powerbase, you will be unable to conquer anything without losing something in return, and that's a death spiral for any fledgeling faction.As for castle defenses.

The stardard of AI castles is between 100 and 150 man strong, with about half that as elites, which again are split 60/40 archer / melee. That number is a good spot to start at least, although just loading up on all your max-upgraded troops while training others is a favorite way for me to protect my most valuable assets.Edit: Oh, and about raiding - realise you'll get some pretty heavy faction hits with the villages you raid, meaning you'll most probably not be able to recruit anything from them down the road. While that might seem irrelevant currently, do remember that eventually, you'll sit on a kingdom made from patchwork out of various kingdoms if you try making your own, and if you've raided indiscriminately, reinforcing your army with recruits might be tough.

How did you guys go about making your character? What sort of character, what skills and attributes did you concentrate on?

Did you have a goal in mind when you started?Been with M&B since they started off as a lowly Beta, thanks to someone's recommendation on this forum.First up you really must install the Battelesizer mod. You don't just get the atmosphere of huge battles. Tactically, it changes the game. If you use the game's default 70 combatants (or thereabouts), what happens is if your team of 50 elite troops meet up with a 150-men peasant rabble, the game somehow throw out numbers in it's unique calculation of ratio and you likely end up fielding 5 guys to the enemy's 50 or 60. You'll be swamped. If you have battlesizer set at say 200, you field all your 50 elite guys and can easily make mincemeat of any larger force of inferior soldiers.

So Battlesizer Mod is not just important, it's essential for the ultimate enjoyment of M&B.I'm running a 9800GTX and I got all the details on max with about Battlesizer 250.No problems. Battles are epic.Don't have my gaming computer with me at the moment. I'll look into it tonight and talk a bit tomorrow on my character creation.

I'm playing as an independent non-faction affiliated. It's kind of tough and a long, long, long way to go but basically I pick on one faction to fight and then just concentrate on taking as much property from them. It's good being your own boss. You get to keep all the land you confiscate and you also keep all the rent.

But logistics and finance are big headaches. I have three castles so far. I like a reasonably big standing army (at least 150 to 200 men in each castle). It's an added insurance against enemy sieges. I once commanded a group of 100 men (melee and archers) and held back a Khergit siege force of over 800.

When you are defending in a siege, you have the advantage of geography and choke points. Get plenty of good quality archers and good melee guys. Archers generally cause the most casualties in any siege. You need money to finance so much men, so its lots of village looting, tournaments and so on. Looting villages are most lucrative. Don't expand too quickly.

Nail down one castle and stock it up with enough men first as quickly as you can manage because the enemy will likely siege you sometime down the line. In your first castle, build a Prison. If you ever defeat any enemy lords and take them prisoner you can dump them in a castle Prison and they have less chance of escaping. I don't accept money for enemy lords. I rather keep them locked up and prevent them from getting back out in the field.

Enemy lords roam the land. Enemy garrisons don't. So it's in your best interest to lock up the nobles and then take your time to bleed the garrisons dry slowly but surely.Talk more tomorrow.- 11/25/08 02:56 AM Re: Mount and BladeJoined: Apr 2001Posts: 2,122resident pacifist (sic)resident pacifist (sic)MemberJoined: Apr 2001Posts: 2,122. Harry, I have the battlesizer now, plus have been dumping some points into tactics, so that gives us an advantage in most battles.

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I've built the prison tower, captured a few lords and even the Swadian King! But peace has been declared with Swadia and we're now at war with the Rhodoks. Their spear lines can be tough, but we can take on a much larger force than we could against the Swadian cavalry.I order my cavalry to follow me and then we move around behind the enemy formation and charge as they are engaging my infantry from the other direction, catching them in a pincer and giving my cavalry a chance to get in when the spears are pointing away from them. This disrupts thier nice tidy wall.What determines the liklihood of being given a castle or city I capture?

I know I need to initiate the assault or seige. Last night we took two Rhodok castles with my party alone. I was given the option to request they be given to me. But the King gave them both to some jackass named Lord Vlan, who just happens to be the only lord in my faction with a grudge against me. Ticked me off quite frankly. The knucklehead lost the first castle within a week. Then we captured another and he was given that one too.

And all I get is 900 bucks.That's the only castle he has, he's lost his others. So maybe the game makes sure all lords have at least one. Then maybe I'll stand a better chance of keeping what I capture?

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I wish I could throw this chump in my prison tower or dungeonDoes faction standing, or relations with the king, honor or renown play any part? Or is this just a roll? The message said I already have a large enough part of the kingdom or something like that, but all I have is one castle and the attached village.I think I might start a new game, since I didn't realize until recently that party skills don't stack.

So I was spreading some skills like tactics around a bit, but that's just a waste of points. Only the NPC or player with the highest skill rating counts, as I found out to my chagrin.What determines the liklihood of being given a castle or city I capture?.Does faction standing, or relations with the king, honor or renown play any part? Or is this just a roll? The message said I already have a large enough part of the kingdom or something like that, but all I have is one castle and the attached village.Yup.

The King has to like you a bit more, plus the renown. But I've never got him to give more than 2 castles to me. Do him a few favors, run a few errands. Or, tell him you quit and take the castle back by force for yourself, then pledge to someone else.

Even better, find the one who claims his throne and help them out. Each faction has one. That'll learn 'em.I really want to be Lord of a city. I bet the big bucks roll in after that.- 11/25/08 03:59 PM Re: Mount and BladeJoined: Oct 2000Posts: 6,676StrategerizerStrategerizerHotshotJoined: Oct 2000Posts: 6,676. Thanks for the info.Yeah, I'd like to get a city too.

But they are heavily garrisoned, and I just don't stand a chance with 60 men versus 300, and especially if the townsfolk join in too.I've been riding around scouting castles and cities trying to find one with a small enough garrison that we can take it, but cities are out of the question right now. Got lucky with those two castles mentioned earlier. Their lords and party were out and the garrisons were 90 or less so we could take them.I'd like to try the rebel route, but that sounds tough, escpecially in regards to finance. I imagine you'd need a large force to keep what you take when you don't have other lords and the King to help out.

And I think once you're a rebel, all 5 factions are at war with you, and that I don't need! I'd say stay on the horse, partly for the speed bonus, and partly for defense.Until you level up a bit, engage small parties of looters. Sea radiers will eat you up.

Lots of looters can be found in the snowy region.On horseback you should ready your sword. Look out to the side and press and hold attack so you're ready to swipe as you ride. Overhead or thrusting attacks are not much use mounted.Look down a bit to hit enemies that aren't on horseback.It'll come with practice. Just try to pick your fights and concentrate on looters early on. Yep, you're gonna get thrashed against those types of enemies until you can level up a little and get some better kit.I concentrated on looters for a while and was able to progress.

My first battle was against 5 looters, and it took about 10 minutes to hack 'em all down, because I just didn't have the hang of the mounted swordplay. But I started to get the feel, and leveling up improved my sword speed.I found to hit a footman when mounted I need to aim the camera down some, and strike a little later than I felt like I should. Of course a longer weapon will help. My starting choices resulted in having a balanced sword right off the bat, so that probably helped.You can go to a training area and practice against target dummies. I'm still away from my gaming computer (and all my game stats) and I can't remember offhand all that I did for my character.so perhaps tomorrow I can be more definitive.The 'not-given a castle' thing.

Admittedly, I have not delve too deeply on how the game determines this, but the best place to ask would obviously be the M&B forums at Talesworld. Having all my hardwork taken away by the liege lord is what prompted me to go independent non-faction affiliated. For that I concentrated on Charisma and dump plenty of points onto Leadership so I can roam with a large army. Right now I'm with aboout 150 men.Of course you can also work on your Speech skill if you have ambition of double-dealing on your liege lord by going to the faction's claimant. You need a high speech skill to convince the claimant to back you and then you need to convince the faction lords.some will declare for you, the others will be against you. But if you wipe out the non-supportive lords, your claimant ascends the throne and you become the Marshall.sort of like the Shogun with the Emperor on the throne. I have not tried this route but please check with M&B forums on the level of Speech requiredI also solo a lot during the battles, so I had to have a capable warrior.

Power Strike 4; PowerDraw 4, Horseriding 4; Horseback Archery 5. Maybe 2 points on Prisoner Management. I dump the rest on Charisma / Leadership. Forget about Weapon Master. It means I gain weapon skill slower after I reach my Weapon Master level cap, but it makes little difference to me in combat because I still dish up plenty of punishment.

I concentrate on 2-Handed swords (Balanced Great Sword is preferred), War Bow, Jousting Lance (heavy damage, very long reach to keep horsemen at bay.poke at their horses to bring them down.plenty of captives with blunt damage). I ride either a Spirited or Heavy Hunter. A good combination of speed, survivability and charge attributes.You can increase the prosperity of your villages by building a Mill and/or buying accumulated $ 5,000 worth of stuff from them. If I'm not wrong, it gets richer everytime you spend over $5,000 on them. Check with M&B forums on this.A word about companions:- I have 9. I'm playing v.1+ now and mostly I found the following 10 companions are able to live with each other as a cohesive unit. Some of them grumble from time to time but not enough to cause any of them to leave the party.

Lezalit, Nizar, Bunduk, Martheld, that black chick warrior (forgot her name but she is a tracker), Artimemmer, Marnid, Katrin, and one more.forgot her name, but it starts with a 'K'.geee I'm getting senile. I concentrate on 1-handed weapons for all of them with shields (generally B.stard Swords.edit lol the SimHQ profanity filter actually censored the name of this Sword). All are on horseback. For perks, I concentrate Tactics on Artimemmer, Surgery on Nizar, Looting for Lezalit, First Aid on Marnid. Generally I don't give them archery weapons. They suck on horseback archery.

I much rather have them on melee. You can stock up on some bows in your castle and hand them up to your companions just before a siege and you then have 9 extra archers. You can never have too many archers in a siege. They are very effective.I have not laid siege on any city but if I plan on doing it, it will be on stages. Having your people charge the walls without thinning out the archers is almost suicide because you lose disproportionately more men to the defenders even on 'equal terms' (similar numbers).

I tend to get the troops to fall way way way back and spread out while I find a covered spot by the castle walls and solo archery to thin out the ranks.Tell your archers to hold fire, at least until you have run out of arrows.You probably take a few tries and you may have to abandon the siege several times to restock and recover, but if you thin the garrison out, they will eventually fall. Better still, sometimes if you hurt them enough they may even sally out.

If you have position your people far away from the walls, you can now command your archers to fire and cut down the defenders as they charge.